Katherine Long is our guest this week. Katherine’s website says: Bringing regenerative principles to life. Coach, author, supervisor, facilitator, supporting leadership and eldership. Katherine, Jen and Stuart talk about creativity as a survival mechanism, fractal patterns, animism, pollution, and healing. Katherine picks up on the wisdom of living systems, Theory U, and biomes. Exchange reciprocity and holons. Healing vs curing. Animism. Carbon tunnel vision and not understanding the wider pollutants.